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#251 2019-09-12 01:24:32

Barbarian3165
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Lol, go right ahead.

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#252 2019-09-12 02:20:12

darthel0101
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Speaking of killing somebody, Marcus was able to get into that new school in Erle, and we know that school was still in operation when the weres invaded. Is it possible that karma came to roost on the Savolar's household?

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#253 2019-09-12 03:17:01

Eric Storm
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Do you see Savolar as someone who would voluntarily attend class?

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#254 2019-09-12 03:21:38

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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

So, is he in earth then, or has he already gained citizenship?

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#255 2019-09-12 04:59:33

darthel0101
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Eric Storm wrote:

Do you see Savolar as someone who would voluntarily attend class?

Not really, but with his 8th year coming up and needing to ensure citizenship, it might not have been an option.

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#256 2019-09-12 08:41:52

Eric Storm
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Let's consider.  He was expelled at the end of his 3rd year, but we do not know when he got into Madchen Hall.  We assume it was in book 6.  With another two years to go for citizenship, that would give him citizenship (assuming he qualified) at the end of book 7.  Book 7 would have been Savolar's last opportunity to make citizenship without being forced to live in Earth outside of school.

And please note that:  A non-citizen over 25 can attend college in order to attain citizenship, but they must live in Earth while outside school.  (or make an extended visit to someone during off-school periods, but they would have no official address.)

And this would NOT be Savolar's 8th year.  Assuming that book 6 was, in fact, his first year at Madchen Hall, then he was not attending during books 4 and 5.  He would only be in his fourth year of college in book 6.  SO, 6, 7, 8, he would be in years 4, 5, and 6.  He would be allowed two more years after that.  However, he would never be eligible for his Magistrate's Decree, because he missed his Travel Endorsement exam at the end of his third year, and so would have to take it in his fourth.  Since the tests are taken progressively, it automatically disqualifies him to test for his MD.

But Erle was attacked during the summer.  Summer classes at MH are optional.  Savolar is not a serious enough student to attend optional schooling, so he wouldn't have been there.  He'd have been in Bellamy when it was evacuated.  Where he is now is anyone's guess.

Eric Storm


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#257 2019-09-12 18:01:14

aquintel
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

The diaphragm closes the thoracic cavity  maintaining the  negative pressure that expands the lungs,  otherwise the external pressure wouldn't be capable to send oxygen inwards and, if disrupted, the seal will not function, thus, if  you rip  the muscular membrana that is the diaphragm,  breathing doesn't occur.

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#258 2019-09-13 00:23:16

Eric Storm
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Not that it's relevant to the conversation concerning the werewolf in question, but your post is highly inaccurate.  How can I be so sure?  How can the diaphragm "close the thoracic cavity" when it has several holes in it to allow other structures through?  Structures such as your esophagus, blood vessels, nerves, etc.

Further, diaphragmatic rupture happens in about 5% of severe blunt trauma cases to the abdomen.  So if a simple tear to the diaphragm could prevent breathing, all of these people would die without immediate ventilation.  (Only between 5-40% of people die from diaphragmatic rupture, depending on circumstances).  It causes breathing difficulty, but not a complete stop.

But, again, I made quite clear in the book that the cut David made was below the rib cage, which means that the diaphragm was never in danger.

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#259 2019-09-13 00:24:38

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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

PS:  Diaphragm and all its associated words are a royal bitch to type repeatedly!

Eric Storm


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#260 2019-09-13 18:30:03

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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Speaking as an EMT (def not a doctor so take with a grain of salt) but completely opening the abdomen would cause more of a problem than the type of tear you would see from a blunt trauma. And the structures that pass through have what essentially amounts to the bodily version of gaskets around them to maintain the seal.
Regardless it is correct that he could maintain breathing through the use of the intercostal muscles. Though he probably would have had difficulty speaking as much as he did, but artistic liberty.
This could all be extra moot if the bloodbank potion provided oxygenated blood, then breathing wouldn't even be necessary for his continued life. Though that wasn't the context of the comment that started this so...

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#261 2019-09-13 18:52:54

Eric Storm
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Well, all I have is Googling, so even less info than you... but my reading suggests that, as far as D-rupture (I'm not typing that word anymore, dammit!), blunt trauma is actually worse than penetrating trauma - the damage appears to be greater, because in blunt trauma, what you get is a "burst", rather than a "tear".

But, again, I made it clear in the story that the cut David made was below the rib cage.  The D exists entirely within the rib cage, so David would not have endangered its integrity in any way.

And, while I had never considered it, I imagine that Bloodbank WOULD create oxygenated blood, as non-oxygenated blood isn't particularly useful for much in the realm of keeping you alive.

So, again... the D was fully intact throughout this incident.  Only the abdominal cavity was destroyed, and the abdominal cavity, as far as my research can show me, doesn't have anything to do with the normal acts of breathing, only "forced exhalation", which isn't something our victim was doing much of.  This would also mean, since he was able to breathe "normally", that he would have no trouble talking, except for the pain.

Eric Storm


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#262 2019-09-14 12:55:16

aquintel
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Just for clarification, I'm a surgeon

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#263 2019-09-14 18:38:53

Eric Storm
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

This gives me grave concerns about your patients, if you're giving out inaccurate information like the post you made here...

aquintel wrote:

if  you rip  the muscular membrana that is the diaphragm,  breathing doesn't occur.

This is just factually not true.  As pointed out earlier, the intercostal muscles are capable of allowing the lungs to breathe, though that breathing is more difficult and not as effective.  It would certainly have been sufficient for the limited time the "patient" had left in this case in question.

Eric Storm

PS:  Some reason you felt the need to use "membrana" instead of "membrane", given they have the same meaning?


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#264 2019-09-14 22:25:51

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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

Eric Storm wrote:

This gives me grave concerns about your patients, if you're giving out inaccurate information like the post you made ...

3dcool

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#265 2019-09-16 01:58:45

Josh.Bond
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

aquintel wrote:

Just for clarification, I'm a surgeon

This just goes to show the difference between education and intelligence. I know people who have very high IQ and don't have college degrees to get the "High paying jobs" but can tell you what is wrong with your car just from your description of what is wrong with it. I also know someone who Has a college degree that couldn't boil an egg to keep themselves from starving.

As my Father once told me B.S.= Bull Shit, M.S.= More Shit, PhD= Piled Higher and Deeper.

For the record he has 3 degrees, is gong to be 82 shortly, and has been retired for the last 17 years.

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#266 Yesterday 17:07:59

darthel0101
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Re: Woodward Academy, Year 8, The

I have (undiagnosed, but strongly suspected) Asperger's and have seen the same thing.
I also have a near encyclopediac (as opposed to photographic) memory and end up surprised at how often people mis-remember things.

I have to rein in my tongue too often, trying to keep from aggravating a situation where somebody "with more knowledge" ends up being demonstrably, flat-out wrong.

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