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I don't know if it's intentional, Eric, but your intro page shows the following message:
Script took 0.14210605621338 seconds to run.
Interval 1: 3.0994415283203E-5 seconds
Interval 2: 0.016625165939331 seconds
Interval 3: 0.0075299739837646 seconds
Interval 4: 5.9604644775391E-6 seconds
Interval 5: 6.9141387939453E-6 seconds
Interval 6: 0.00086307525634766 seconds
Interval 7: 0.0018119812011719 seconds
Interval 8: 0.0050389766693115 seconds
Interval 9: 0.00034189224243164 seconds
Interval 10: 0.0015370845794678 seconds
Interval 11: 0.001716136932373 seconds
Interval 12: 2.8610229492188E-6 seconds
Interval 13: 0.00039196014404297 seconds
Interval 14: 2.7179718017578E-5 seconds
Interval 15: 0.04211688041687 seconds
Interval 16: 1.5974044799805E-5 seconds
Interval 17: 0.063050031661987 seconds
Interval 18: 0.00041103363037109 seconds
Interval 19: 2.8610229492188E-6 seconds
Interval 20: 0.0005791187286377 seconds.

Obviously it's some page diagnostics log and probably shouldn't be on the main page.

I see. Didn't see your previous post about it. Ok, if I have any problems with the page, I'll send you the aforementioned data. I simply thought it was some log data you put in while recovering the page and forgot to take out. No big deal.

Augur:

Before publicly calling out a new piece of information on the site that you see as a flaw, it would behoove you to do at least the minimal research to find out if it's supposed to be there.  In this case (and in most cases), all you'd have had to do was read through the last couple site announcements.

Barbarian:

Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity.

I don't believe that Verizon or Frontier were actively blocking FTP.  It isn't a widely enough used medium to bother.  Nor does it make sense that GoDaddy would switch over to requiring sFTP without posting a notice on their site... or at least knowing about it when I contacted customer service.  As I mentioned, I have been using FTP to upload to the server for nearly ten years now.  This appears to be more of a case where Frontier inherited a problem that Verizon could never figure out how to fix, and with the even-worse technical expertise of Frontier, is perhaps getting worse.  I should point out that it isn't ALL FTP that's failing: I can access anonymous sites.  It's only when I need to log into a site that the problem occurs.

As to "web-based program" for... ANYTHING:  I don't even use web-based email.  Even my Gmail account is collected by purpose-built software (in this case, Thunderbird).  The browser really is not the tool for most jobs.  I normally used my file manager program (Total Commander) for FTP, as it has an FTP client built-in... but Total Commander doesn't do sFTP, so I've had to switch over to FileZilla.  Not that I mind:  I have a very Unix-y mindset:  Write a small program that does one thing perfectly, not an enormous program that does a hundred things half-assed.  FTP programs are special-built to handle FTP tasks, which generally makes them good at it.  Total Commander was good enough at it that I didn't bother finding a replacement until I needed one, but it was never perfect.

In any case, the issues are resolved for the time being.

Until next time...  <ominous music plays here>

Eric Storm

Sorry Eric. Didn't expect you to take offense at my question. Seriously, I didn't express it as a critique for you. Actually I do respect you very much.  Simply being as this was a new phenomenon that I encountered for the first time after yesterdays' page downtime, I simply assumed those two events could be related and didn't start an exhaustive research on the subject.    I'll know better next time.

Understood, but I also don't visit everyday. Sometimes weeks may pass between visits. Sometimes I'll check your page a few times a day (specially around the last day of the month ). So in the time between visits several announcements may have been made (so I don't get to see them at the home page) and I don't make a habit of scouring the forums to read all previous announcements. Anyway, it's ok. I understood, next time I have something to ask of comment about I'll try as you say either research the subject before posting, or avoid making the post if I can't.  It's really not a big deal. As you see I'm really not a frequent poster, so it's not like I'll have to fight any "posting urges", so to speak.  

Again, I do feel a great respect for you, so please excuse me for any offense I may have made. I would argue that they would have been unintentional. On the one side you can never "divine" the tone of voice used to express a message on an internet forum, so misinterpretation is common. On the other side, although I consider my english to be pretty good, it's still not my native language, so it may happen that in specific cases I may not express myself in a clear way and open the possibility of misinterpretation of the intention and sentiment of my posts.

Last edited by Augur (2016-07-09 04:13:52)

Yay, Frontier! 

Anything that makes you want to write is okay, in my book...

And yes, it was in April that Frontier took over Florida, Texas and California from Verizon.  I wish I had the option to switch to someone else, but as far as I know, there are no local broadband providers around here, and besides, I have a contract for like another year. 



Augur:  It's not a matter of being offended by you.  It's a matter of seeing that the visitors aren't paying attention.  It makes me feel like the work I'm doing is wasted.  Especially if you don't visit frequently, a trip through the site announcements is a good and easy way to keep up with what's going on here.  They're not hard to find: just go to the forum and look under "Pub Announcements".

Eric Storm