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2017-Jun-22 @ 9:35 AM
Crusader
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Eric Storm wrote:

Now there's an adequate description of Hell if ever I heard one...

Eric Storm

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Augur wrote:

Freon22>  Or you could meet Alah, or Krsna, or Kali, or any other deity of the millions that humanity have invented. But as you said. If you feel better believing whatever you want to believe and don't try to tell others how they must live their lives, nor you try to infringe unto, or limit their rights because of your particular religious ideology, no problem. As you said, you aren't hurting anyone and it's not anyones' business what you believe or not if you don't force it to become their business by your own actions.

Crusader> The possibilities are limited only by your imagination. For example time could be an illusion of sorts, and we could be eternal in our particular "life frame". Or our minds could have an energy/extradimensional or whatever imprint (some kind of a soul, or similar object), which may be would become free to roam the universe, may be even expand our minds and become superior energy like beings ourselves and after a long existence acquire the knowledge to create our own microcosmoses, becoming in such a way somewhat godlike, if not actually gods, depending on how you define the concept. There are infinite possibilities as to what happens after our deaths. As for myself I'm kind of hoping to live long enough to get to the point where life extension becomes possible, then may be even physical immortality as to be able to some day travel to other stars, discover new intelligent beings, explore the universe, learn about our very existence all the while improving and expanding my mind. With time I hope humanity and myself may discover what is the best way to go forward. If it's another plane of existence, or if we simply at the Big Crunch collectively may help create the universe of the next cycle, or whatever goal I, or humanity may set for ourselves in a some tens of billions of years (if we aren't extinct by that time).
It's fun to sometimes explore the possibilities.

smile

or reincarnation, or; and the one I like the best. my timeline resets when I die, and all you hallucinations go back to where you were when i was born, and it is 1985 again; because this experience is just my brain in a jar reliving my life countless times with no memory of the loop. shhh dont tell me.

another words that was kinda my point.

I would suggest we talk about politics next, but that would be a bit to much of a hijack of the thread. So i'm using some magic powers to create an invisible thread for the heavy debate on if Trumps hair is real.


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2017-Jun-22 @ 11:54 AM
Sniper
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@Fenixreign
Nice try

My 2 cents regarding religion:

Religion is about believe. No matter if you have a book, a prophet or whatever, there is no definite proof that there is any truth in any religion. Either you believe or you don't. For the first 30 years of my life I was catholic, because that was the religion of my parents. During our youth our believes are mainly influenced by our parents. There is no choice or rational decision on your part, for years and years those believes are hammered into your brain. While I still believe that there is "something" more out there, I cannot identify myself with the catholic church anymore. A friend once called my an agnostic theist, I am not sure if that is accurate. What I don't like is people being forced into a religion on birth, it should be a concious decision.

Trumps hair? Real? That whole guy is as unreal as it gets. I am betting on Trump, Putin and Erdogan working together to take over the whole universe.


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2017-Jun-22 @ 12:31 PM
Eric Storm
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Careful... political discussion IS, in fact, explicitly limited to the politics section of the forum.

Eric Storm


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2017-Jun-23 @ 2:00 AM
Freon22
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Augur wrote:

Freon22>  Or you could meet Alah, or Krsna, or Kali, or any other deity of the millions that humanity have invented. But as you said. If you feel better believing whatever you want to believe and don't try to tell others how they must live their lives, nor you try to infringe unto, or limit their rights because of your particular religious ideology, no problem. As you said, you aren't hurting anyone and it's not anyones' business what you believe or not if you don't force it to become their business by your own actions.

Thank you Augur that is a every good way of putting it. I guess one day I will find out or not find out how it is. lol

Crusader that option doesn't sound very appealing. Ted Williams had his head frozen he would be in for a long time of I don't know like Eric said (Now there's an adequate description of Hell if ever I heard one...) lol


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2017-Jun-23 @ 6:36 AM
Barbarian3165
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Personally, I find most peoples idea of hell inadequate.  Personally, I'd suggest hell is the ultimate desert, no food or water and no one else but the person in that particular hell.  The only thing other then sandy/rocky terrain would be a mirror that follows you around.  When the person in hell is desperate, they can turn to the mirror to be tormented by their own conscience and a movie of the pain and suffering they caused because of their deeds.  Otherwise they wander in the desert eternally hungry, thirsty and either unbearable hot or unbearable cold depending on which the individual finds worse.

Oh, I think I'm copyrighting that description since I'm using it in a story I'm writing.


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2017-Jun-25 @ 1:16 AM
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omg what did I just read haha. Brain pooling on the floor. just wanted to say can't wait for more of this and that the story is excellent.


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In the dark your lips taste like sweet nectar, and in the line they tease me endlessly.
2017-Jul-16 @ 7:24 AM
Wicked Storm
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Loved this chapter, made me smile, and sympathize with the characters the whole way through. I really enjoyed a freaking lot. Looking forward to the next installment as usual.

(posted from Chapter 5)


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In the dark your lips taste like sweet nectar, and in the line they tease me endlessly.
2017-Jul-17 @ 12:18 AM
thehilz
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As always I enjoyed the new chapter. Will be semi  patiently waiting for the next chapter although it might be more than a month. Will give me time to go back and reread some stories I haven't read in awhile. Keep up the great work.


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2017-Jul-17 @ 2:37 AM
Eric Storm
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Glad you're enjoying it.  Yeah, I'm not sure when Ch. 6 will be ready, though it is still in active development.

Eric Storm


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Please Remember:  The right to Freedom of Speech does not carry the proviso, "As long as it doesn't upset anyone."  The US Constitution does not grant you the right to not be offended.  If you don't like what someone's saying... IGNORE THEM.
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2018-Jun-2 @ 2:43 AM
OldOne
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This is a great story, and I'm really enjoying it. I was very pleased to see the shout-out to "Talked Themselves Into It," which is brilliant and has always been my favorite Downing Street story. I also liked that you leave the introduction very vague, allowing the discovery of what is actually going on at the camp to happen organically. I think the reveal was much more interesting that way, so kudos.

I really look forward to reading more of this story, and would love to see an update on it soon!

(posted from the Item Information Page)


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2019-May-25 @ 12:25 AM
ptbrainum
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Love the discussion on faith, religion, and atheism.  I find it so interesting that people miss a few important details.
Biblically speaking, faith is defined at Hebrews 11:1, I like how the living English Bible puts it (a translation done at the turn of the 20th century by an individualist anarchist, seriously it's a great translation)
"And faith is assuming the validity of hopes, putting unseen things to the test."
Biblical faith is never supposed to be blind belief, but belief supported by related truth, and then thoroughly tested.

Of course I can't do anything about blind believers, because of free will.  Free Will, a concept that everyone should really deeply consider.  Free Will is the concept that everyone has the right to make choices for themselves, and while you can encourage what you view as a correct course in others, forcing, demanding, etc would be a violation of the inherent right to free Will.  Protecting someone from the consequences of their choice would also be a violation of that right.  Free Will requires you to accept your choices, accept the consequences.
Whether your an atheist, or believer, a violation of free will is a violation of humanity, or godly design respectively.

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2019-May-25 @ 7:06 AM
Eric Storm
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The only problem is, the verse you quote actually argues against your point.  I prefer the NIV translation, as it was done by a group of scholars, and translated directly from the original documents.  It reads this verse this way:  "Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."  And that clearly states that "faith" means that no evidence at all is required for an acceptance of concept.

In fact, if you read through the rest of the chapter, it lists people who acted "by faith", and they were "commended" for their faith... but...

39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised,...

So... really, they were meant to act on blind faith, because based on evidence, they should have known that they would not receive what they were expecting.

And, of course, whether free will actually exists depends on the nature of God (if he exists).  If God is linear, and yet still knows our actions before we take them, then free will is an illusion.  Now, if God is a non-linear being, then free will could exist... unless the multiverse exists, in which case there is no "free will", we are simply the universe that exists on that "decision branch".

Eric Storm


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Please Remember:  The right to Freedom of Speech does not carry the proviso, "As long as it doesn't upset anyone."  The US Constitution does not grant you the right to not be offended.  If you don't like what someone's saying... IGNORE THEM.
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2019-May-27 @ 9:59 AM
ptbrainum
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Either I have free Will, because there is no God, or I have free Will because A God capable of knowing everything chooses to wait for me to make my choices.  The alternative is I have no free Will, and thus God is not only personally responsible for all evil, but an asshole.

PS the Greek term used (pistis) in that verse really does mean belief based on evidence.  Like having a title dead to a property that says it's yours.  You can reasonably believe that you really do own the property, even if you've never seen it.  As a lover of the scientific method, Faith based on evidence is a requirement for me in all parts of my life, regardless of what I believe.  For me reality is evidence based.  I worry about those who don't have that requirement in what they believe.


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2019-May-27 @ 10:14 AM
Eric Storm
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"Faith based on evidence" is an oxymoron.  Evidence removes the need for faith.  From Merriam-Webster online, the relevant definition is: ": firm belief in something for which there is no proof"  Thus, if there IS proof (evidence), it's no longer faith.

As to whether or not God is an asshole....

Look around.

Eric Storm

PS:  This conversation needs to end at this point, or be moved over to the Politics and Religion section, as we are straying too far into actual religious doctrine.


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Please Remember:  The right to Freedom of Speech does not carry the proviso, "As long as it doesn't upset anyone."  The US Constitution does not grant you the right to not be offended.  If you don't like what someone's saying... IGNORE THEM.
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2019-May-27 @ 1:34 PM
Barbarian3165
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Hallelujah 😚


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2019-May-28 @ 9:44 PM
Blackie
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Sadly, I can't read the story yet, so, I have no idea how the discussion related to the story.


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2019-Jun-26 @ 7:09 AM
Josh.Bond
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Awsome! this is a great addition to the story line. The added tint on the tapistry of organized crime I figured was going to happen, but not what part of the council was going to be tarred with that brush. I quoted the Ephesians 6:4 as "Parents provoke not your Children..." To my mother when she tried to quote the obey your mother and father at me once ... Lets just say she was not amused that her 17yo son was standing up to her idiosity. Keep up the great work I'm loving this story.

(posted from Chapter 6)


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2019-Jun-26 @ 7:10 AM
Timberwolf92
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Superb chapter as always Eric.


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2019-Jun-29 @ 4:14 AM
thehilz
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As I have come to expect another excellent chapter. One thing I did not expect was Nick to blow up at his father like that.

I noticed it in chapter 5 that you referred to Nicks parents as Mr. and Mrs. Shilling instead of merely as his father/mother. Was this done for a particular reason?


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2019-Jun-29 @ 7:37 AM
Eric Storm
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...because those are their names?

You get sick of writing the same things over and over again.  Things like this are virtually always done to simply break up the monotony.

Eric Storm


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2019-Jun-29 @ 8:28 AM
Blackie
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Eric Storm wrote:

You get sick of writing the same things over and over again.

Eric Storm

The reason so many languages have synonyms. Boring to write, say, read, or hear the same words repeated too often.


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2019-Jun-29 @ 12:39 PM
thehilz
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Wasn’t sure if it was that or if you were trying to make a point of some kind of emotional distance between Nick and his parents or something like that.


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2019-Jun-29 @ 12:58 PM
Eric Storm
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Nope.  I should probably have just used their first names, but that would probably have confused people, as I haven't used those names much in the story yet.

Eric Storm


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2019-Jul-16 @ 7:42 AM
Elessar
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Can you tell the reviewers to hurry up? They are slow.


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2019-Jul-16 @ 3:30 PM
Eric Storm
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You think I haven't?

Eric Storm


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Please Remember:  The right to Freedom of Speech does not carry the proviso, "As long as it doesn't upset anyone."  The US Constitution does not grant you the right to not be offended.  If you don't like what someone's saying... IGNORE THEM.
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